I also liked: Bitter Author Face but I couldn’t decided on a title and went with the silly song beth has stuck in my head forever and evah.
At the risk of writing a book in the Smart Bitches Comments and because there is a question or two in here I would love anyones take on. I am posting my response to Candy’s very well done response to me here. For anyone not playing the home game or newbies around here… I like those bitches. I would post over there more often if I had time and or there was less coversnark (again nothing I have issue with just generally not my bag). So please do not mistake me for a kinder, gentler blogger (soooo should be a button).
Okay fine, I admit I am sweetness and light but I am not the blog police. Nor do I give a fuck about being the blog police. If you are done with this feel free to move along or if you want to know the issues visit Dear Author, they have the low down. Or go visit Smart Bitches and watch some authors moon us and shake their tail feathers… and no I don’t mean just the Trisk ones.
This doesn’t need to be pointed out as it will be the well said and correctly spelled shit while mine is the rambling… but if it is – those there be candy’s smart words.
I would like to point out once again that the post wasn’t particularly private, but sent to at least a couple hundred people.
You could not have joined that list. You couldn’t have clicked a membership button and ::poof:: belonged. No matter how you want to say okay there were too many people there, so nope not private… you don’t get to make that call.
There is public – you can link to it, point to it and anyone with a connection can join and see it. And there is private. This was private. So when the next forward is a private Samhain post about their business practices that goes out to all their authors, you are saying it is okay to post it. Even though it is a private email you can not verify.
Maybe about their site’s bookstore… the one not ‘owned’ by Samhain, isn’t their mainpage, sells jewelry or you know the decline of sales of some of their authors who seem to think their shit doesn’t stink.
(For the record I read Samhain and would say it is the better epub and have currently read a Trisk book like twice (something I plan to change). I don’t know or care about Gail Northman and really could give a fuck about ‘the children’. )
And true, it could’ve been edited or distorted–which is typically why Sarah (and I, for that matter) attempt to provide complete documents whenever we can.
Unless you were given someones password, logged onto the group and saw the post or unless you were a member all you had was the word of a very bitter author.
(For the record, I even like that bitter author, and even could give a shit less she forwarded the email. But I have never been able to wrap my arms around why this sort of thing is okay.)
If the post had been substantially edited, surely somebody would’ve come forward and said “That is a crock of lies, lieeeeeeeees.” It’s typically why Sarah and I ask for confirmation after talking about news items.
So you are all for giving space to someone who is lying (which is not the fact here but as you said could have been) and after shitting on someone, their company or their reputation – saying oops sorry my bad?
Dude I get this is a blog and not one that presents itself as a ‘newsite’, hard hitting or what the fuck ever but that seems shitty. If something could be damning to someones job or business, I think that is worth a few mins to check into. But that could just be me…
Jane handled this whole thing with more finesse than we did, but neither of us think what we did was especially wrong.
Yes but Dear Author and Smart Bitches are two different sites, different takes and that is great. This is the second time private information has been posted to SB, granted the other being an email was worse (IMHO) but the fact that you don’t think anything was done wrong is what I am trying to understand. Maybe you are right.
Also, since when were “news” and “gossip” mutually exclusive categories? (I can’t bring myself to insert a smiley here, so pretend I did.)
Yep and there is the issue right there I think. And something I am trying to find a handle on.
Really people, I am not on anyone’s side here. I LIKE the SB and if it wasn’t for the fact I respect the hell out of them I wouldn’t give a shit what they did or how they did it. And am well aware they could give a shit less if I did or not, it is for me I want to understand because I admit I could be wrong here.
So when does gossip become news. I get there are more than one bitter Trisk author, even though they don’t seem to be putting names to posts in public (we won’t even get me started on socks or I won’t ever shut the fuck up). And I would respect their OMFG AUTHORS NEED to be PROTECTED don’t let this happen to you!!! cry of woe if they had bravely come forth anonstyle during their battle for freedom. Or if it wasn’t happening as trisk is (seemingly) trying to change.
This just makes them look like asshats who are pissed off they were jerked around – after they have been cut free.
At the same time, I HATE blind item shit… fucking say what you mean or don’t say it. So… uh.. yeah I just can’t decide where that line goes. There is nothing wrong with being a romanceland tabloid and hello it is fun – but I still think there is a line. Just not sure where it is for me. You guys are smart enough to have figured it out for yourselves, I am slow. Sorry.
Think of some of the scuttlebutt you’ve handed Sarah and me over the past couple years–you know we’re not in the “anything sent over e-mail is fair game” camp, and implying so in this comment is dirty pool.
You know I am pretty sure about that personally. And I am sorry people have gotten the idea that I am ‘tsk tsking’ the bitches cuz people I like the SB. I am sorry but don’t look to me for a new, nicer blogger. I am most likely the bigger bitch here.
I know you have personally been on private lists with really good shit, some of it would have been news, important to romanceland, things the lil people ought to know!! but it isn’t posted, anywhere by anyone. My thought has always been because posting private list shit is evol. If that isn’t true, than what the fuck.
Why not, where is the line, when does private info become ok to wave in public. If it is just because you (that is a general you not Candy you) like the person, well many a ‘net friendship has gone wrong. Is this like a Bam review, it is funny as shit until the author is you.
Lookit, this is probably not especially helpful, but I think a bit of common sense would serve all of us well at the end of the day.
LOL yes it would. And really I go from the idea that anything I say to anyone about anything is something I will have to answer for at some point because people repeatedly show they can’t be trusted in the long haul (NOT at all directed to candy or sarah, who I personally trust very very much, that is in general). I think that sucks, I also think gail was a stupid shit and the trisk authors who came smacking you for being mean mean mean were complete dumbasses.
But this is also a company with issues, seemingly trying to fix those issues and bitching about Gail who hasn’t even taken over yet seems stupid. Pointing out all fucked up Trisk is by pointing to things Samhain does while saying Samhain is better is stupid. Saying yeah, well samhain pushed back their print runs too so there, is stupid.
So is bitching omg look at the issue people not privately posted email, personal shit or calling into question that maybe this is why romanceland gets no respect is stupid. This is the way you chose to present the gossip. So if this is why we are the dangerfield or publishing, take some ownership here don’t try to figure out how many licks it takes to make a private yahoo group not private.
As far as disagreement goes, yours is a lot more reasoned than most, and I do appreciate the viewpoint you come from. I do wish you’d quit it with the passive aggressive “Oh, I guess the poor wee publishers and editors learned an important lesson to NOT TRUST PEOPLE EVER AGAIN” bits. I prefer aggressive aggression.
LOL but it is true… don’t you think. Gail fucked up. And she fucked up big before she even took over. If she had been lucky no one would have ‘seen’ but ten to one she would have done it later.
If nothing else comes of the whole thing I think many a person who thought their private loops and shit were their home, authors who freely share forwarded info or author groups where they let their hair down, may have gotten the idea that hello… not a good fucking idea. Think before you hit send and all that jazz.
Of course it wasn’t that long ago a blogger was bitching about an author having an affair and telling her loop the dirty dirty. Soooo many didn’t get the lesson.
Shit, I need to save reading the rest of the comments for tomorrow. DAMN THIS NEED FOR SLEEP.
And I should never post before 8am anywhere… so whatever is clever 🙂
I read the comments, and certainly there are some that get ugly. I don’t see that Candy and Sarah ‘unleash’ this. Some people just get ugly. In my experience on the web, the SB site, while snarky and sarcastic and amusingly blue at times, attracts some pretty interesting and reasoned discussions, with a low incident of flaming. People disagree, and often with some passion, but by and large they disagree with smarts.
For myself, I’ve also found it one of a handful of reader blogs that welcomes authors and their opinions, and has commentors who don’t slap at them just because they can. If an author, or a reader, or anyone gets slapped on the SB site, it’s usually because they invited the hit.
Ms. Roberts. I’ve read almost all of your books and enjoyed them. I sincerely respect your contribution to the literary entertainment world. I enjoy reading some of your posts on the Jerry Springer Type-A blogs. These things in no way mean that I know you or anything about you, but I do have some inkling of your opinions and how you see things and I can say for a fact we don’t look at much of anything in the same way. Doesn’t mean I disagree with your views or find them offensive, but it does mean that we are reading the same comments and interpretting them from completely different perspectives. It also means that we would not be very successful, no matter how many words we used, if we spent any time trying to make each other see it through opposite eyes.
You have reasons for the things you post, some I understand, others mystify me. I know of your history with Romantic Times Magazine and put your comments about the magazine in that context. It didn’t make them any less harsh to me as I read them, but I understood a little of why you said what you said. Conversely given your history, you probably wouldn’t understand why I support RT and wouldn’t (I’m am guessing) agree with anything I said in support of RT. I stayed well out of that trainwreck and regardless of who deserved what, it was an ugly, awful discussion to me.
It doesn’t matter who deserved what in THIS trainwreck. Parts of it, and I suspect I am the only one who feels this way, have been ugly and awful.
Most people posting are well educated, articulate and entertaining. But. When the shit starts flying unchecked, they can say some unbelievably insulting and unnecessary things. As you say, most recover their conscience, shake hands and are the better for it. But there are people who simply live for these opportunities to unleash hate, hostility and badness again and again.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Many wonderful people who could add reasonable ideas to these discussion are gone. They stay far far away from the fray having been burned up in flame wars. I miss them, but for the most part I’ve left with them. Every six months or so I see something like Candy and Sarah wondering if they could have done something different or ponder where they turned left when they should have gone straight and I get all opptimistic that the wild wild web I used to love and surf is calming down enough to get back on the board. This was one of those times.
It was a start — an opening.
I know you don’t understand me. I have no doubt this post clarified nothing for you. But maybe someone else reading has been thinking along similar lines and now knows they aren’t the only one.
To everyone else, battle on. I’ll keep reading. Some of it I’ll love. Some I’ll cringe at. Some will send me off-line for a week to recover.
Perhaps this analogy will work.
Trying to pull the possitive elements outs of the RT thread and now the Triskelion thread is basically the same thing as picking gold flakes out of dogshit. That’s how I see it.
Falk is one of the worst things to be allowed out on the web?
I disagree but even if I did agree there is such a thing as personal responsibility. No one made Falk be an ass in public anymore than people make you.
If people want to come out moon the internet that is their responsibility to own up too. You like RT. Not sure WHAT that has to do with any of this but whatever. Didn’t they help you get your book published? So you will of course have some lurve for them. They can still do wrong.
What is worse, SB posting private information some other asshat gave them or you trying to stir up shit every post you go to. Trying to ‘help’ people see both sides, ‘oh shucks guys I am just trying to make you think’, stir up some shit, amuse yourself because you are bored, whatever excuse you have that day – then running to your blog and GASPING in horror at the state of romanceblogland.
Ferblat trying to return integrity to the net makes about as much sense as Bush returning it to the White House. You want to give lessons on etiquette and yet you repeatedly show no class. How is that better? The smart bitches own up to who they are and do not have people shaking their heads behind them and saying “Well, really, they are good people in person.”
You TRY to bring out the worst type of behavior in people and than gloat about it. Just because the internet seems to bring out the worst in you doesn’t mean it brings out the worst in everyone. The answer isn’t all blog need to change the way they post so you don’t do it.
I can’t remember everything I posted regarding the Falk/RT business, but do know I was particularly careful not to say anything harsh. And, in fact, didn’t go into my reasons for severing ties with RT. As it’s old, old business.
I thought the letter–which was posted by the writer of same–was ridiculous and odd, and said as much. If that’s harsh, we definitely have different takes on the term. The letter was sent to Karen’s blog, so if a trainwreck followed, the person who wrote and posted the letter started the engine.
I have absolutely no problem with anyone who supports RT. Breaking off relations with them was my personal decision.
I suspect I am the only one who feels this way, have been ugly and awful.
I’m not surprised that you feel this way, Ferfe, given the manner in which you’ve set yourself up. You fail to add anything to the conversation other than to appear supercilious in your approval or disapproval.
What is most amusing is that in your attempt to spread your disingenuous Pollyanna/Rodney King message is that your posts are full of the viputeration you accuse others of spewing. We might not be as clever as we purport to be but we are more clever than you deem us to be. Essentially, we can see through your thinly disguised attempts at correction for what it really is. Someone who desperately needs attention and really isn’t getting it.
Most people posting are well educated, articulate and entertaining. But. When the shit starts flying unchecked, they can say some unbelievably insulting and unnecessary things. As you say, most recover their conscience, shake hands and are the better for it. But there are people who simply live for these opportunities to unleash hate, hostility and badness again and again.
Man, if I didn’t have to be outta the house in the next ten minutes, I would be so tempted to post examples of how you’ve gleefully followed train-wrecks in the past. Although I’m not sure how anything’s changed because you still seem to be hanging out at the site of the various wreckages that occur every now and then. The difference is, you’ve started getting all holier than thou about the various kerfuffles that happen in Blogland, as if that kind of behaviour is beneath you.
I’m not sure why you hold yourself up as a shining example of moral fortitude, when in fact you are part of the very engine that you are complaining about. If you don’t believe me, take a look at some Blogland Flamefests that have happened in the past, and I can pretty much guarantee that you’ve been there, along with us morally bankrupt bloggers, keeping the flamefests alive.
And don’t forget FLB, that until I took you to task publicly over what a pain in the ass you were, you were my number one fan, and you loved to wade in with your size 6’s, and fling the mud along with everyone else on my blog. Deny that at your peril.
There were numerous occasions when you would deliberately post provocative stuff, that you knew would stir up shit, but censoring people isn’t really my thing, so I pretty much let you go fruit ‘n’ nut crazy on my blog. And how.
On the subject of shit stirring, remember the Anne Vremont “Ode To KarenS episode? Yes, of course you remember, you were the Judas who sent me the link, knowing that I’d post about it. I wasn’t even aware of Vremont’s blog until you gleefully sent me the link and told me not to mention that it came from you.
That kinda stuff I don’t have a problem with, I get that all the the time. What I did have a problem with, was when you threw the ball that broke the glass, and then stood with your hands behind your back, looking all innocent, pretending that you had nothing to do with it.
You need to own the fact that you actually love these blogflames, because it gives you the excuse you need to march in, shake your head, tut-tut at various commentators (including one who has more class in her little finger than you have in your whole body), and wonder at the gutter-level disintegration of humanity.
Let me clarify my point, you are not the voice of truth and justice here, you’re just another person with an opinion, much like the rest of us.
See? And I didn’t attack any of you personally.
And I’m not correcting anyone one I just think they should see it for what it is and stop pretending it’s something it isn’t. I don’t need attention Jane. I don’t run a website attacking authors and publishers to GET attention.
Nora called Falk a fuckwit on your blog. (It did not escape me that you jumped to Nora’s defense when someone said something mean to her at SB.) Gail was accused of racism which had nothing to do with the issue at hand on your blog. Falk was called a drunk old bat on the SB’s. Robin Schone was called a racist and a homophobe on Karen Scotts. These are attacks and insults that in no way shape or form further the subjects that were supposedly under discussion. Hide from it. That’s fine. Feel free to call me anything you like if it makes you (and I am including all of you) feel in control and superior. Make any assumptions you want about my motives. But call it what it is, pointless insults and abuse.
Every once in awhile I am going to come to the defense of people you may feel are indefensible regardless. It’s my way.
And yeah. I liked you a great deal Karen. I still think you are funny. But you can’t take even the slightest bit of shit back which means your feelings get hurt easily and makes you strictly off limits to me. I don’t screw with sensitive people and you are sensitive.
Why do you think pointing you to Ann’s snark at you was a judas thing to do btw? (Actually, dont answer. I don’t really care why you think the way you do.) She wanted you to see it. She made it for you. She’s made things for Mrs. Giggles and emailed her. I had no way of knowing you would react the way you did. You seem so tough skinned. I had no idea I was upsetting you. Once you said something, I let you be.
Jane’s blog I leave strictly alone.
Candy OTOH? Has a great sense of humor and can handle herself. There is no possible way anything I say could keep her up at night.
Ladies. You are many things. But perfect saints? Give me a break.
Robin Schone was called a racist and a homophobe on Karen Scotts.
You talking about this FLB?
So seeing Robin Schone happily canoodling with a racist, even if only for promo purposes, diminishes my enthusiasm about her. It really does. She’s off my list of authors to enthuse over.
You’ll find that that thread was on Monica Jackson’s blog.
You really need to quit that passive-agressive shit, it doesn’t suit you.
Incidentally, I’m quite impressed that you were able to go into specifics, about who said what to whom, and on what blog too. Quite amazing really, for somebody who swore that she’d never visit some of these blogs ever again. You must be flipping psychic.
See? And I didn’t attack any of you personally.
True you are consistently attacking anyone you think might get you a minute of attention. Of course that is fine but own the fact you are deeper in the shit than just about anyone else. And stop with the “Who, me?” crap. No one is buying it.
Although I so see a poor, poor me – look at those mean, mean bloggers ::innocent look:: who I never ever done nuthing too ::sniff:: did to me post in your future.
I will own the fact I am not a nice girl and I will own the fact I am just as much a bitch as anyone else. I am no saint but I can also say I don’t need to hide behind a computer to say what I want.
Maybe if you turn off your net connection once in a while you could write a book someone would find worth buying. Oh, wait, you never really wanted to be a writer, you just did it to see if you could. Sort of like others leaving romanceland for ever and ever and never coming back. Again, and again, and again, ::record skip::
At what point did I say I wasn’t reading these blogs? And no that example isn’t the one I was referring to regarding Robin Schone.
Is it passive agressive to repeatedly insist that you guys stop the pretense that your blogs are not simply review\news sites? Unlike you, I know exactly what I am saying and doing. Call me many things but do not say I am dellusional or dishonest. If you are going to be mean don;t turn around and ask everyone if that was mean and that you didn’t really mean to be mean. Jesus. Just be mean and enjoy it.
Whiner babies. Yeesh.
Do I think you should moderate more? Hell yes. Delete me if you think I cross a line you’ve set for your blogs.
Sybil – you confuse the hell out of me. Are you pretending concern for my career as a writer? You read historicals. You would absolutely HATE what I write.
I’m not possibly going to take the time to read through hundreds of posts, but I honestly don’t remember saying: ‘KF is a fuckwit.’
If I did so, I must have meant it within the context of the post. And if that’s the harshest thing I’ve said on a blog, I can’t worry about it.
I do think if I found so much about these blogs offensive and upsetting, I’d stay away from them. When I come across sites that offend or annoy me, that’s what I do.
I am sure that your endorsement thrills Candy. We need to have buttons. This site approved by Ferfelabat.
I do see that your delusions of granduer are peaking out. I actually have not spent even one night thinking about you, I am sad to say. Perhaps I’ll put some effort into that later so I can get a coveted button affirming the righteousness of my blog. Preach on sister, Ferfe, preach on.
Oh Ferfe, I’m sensitive alright, and yes, I am easily hurt. The levels of fuckwittery that you used to display on my blog used to keep me awake at nights. Truly.
Nice one that…. trying to pretend that you didn’t have an ulterior motive for sending Vremont’s link. I like it, I must try that next time I ram my car into my neighbour’s gate. I’ll pretend I was doing it for their benefit.
Now, because this isn’t my blog, and I don’t want to give you the satisfaction of crying poor me to all and sundry about how mean those bitchy bloggers were, I’m going to step away from the computer, and get on with my real life.
Man if I’ve been acting like I am nice and innocent I need to do an internal brain check for multiple personality disorder. The title of my book is REVENGE Gifts. It’s a clear indicator that I don’t write inspirationals or even nice things. I will keep a closer watch on what I post and edit out anything that looks innocent and nice.
That’s what I like about you. Of the bloggers in this thread you are the ONLY one who is straight forward honest about your blog and your views. And yes I know there is nothng about me you like, but that isn’t a prerequesite for me to find someone likeable.
I’m just going to zero in on one thing, as I tend to do. Both here and at SBTB, Ms. LeBat has said that people have accused Gail Northman of being racist. I assume that this statement arose from Ms. Northman’s use of the phrase “Chinese Whispers” in her post at DA. I don’t really see how she was called a racist. A commenter picked up on the phrase and asked for clarification. “Chinese Whispers” is British slang, which pretty much all of the Americans were unfamiliar with, and indeed it apparently is rooted in stereotypes. The conversation got off course a bit (which, given the off the cuff nature of blogs, it is bound to do sometimes), but it was a discussion of language and usage, not whether or not the one who used it was racist. It is an accepted turn of phrase in GB, and I’m sure that most people don’t consider its origins. Just like the origin of “Heebie-Jeebies” has never crossed my mind.
Every discussion of anything race or ethnicity related should not devolve into accusations of racism. To keeping bringing this up, seems like deliberately inflammatory behavior, as racism is a hot button for most people. Perhaps there was some idiot who called her a racist, but that was not the over tenor of the commentary.
Are you pretending concern for my career as a writer?
Don’t be stupid, of course not. I think it is bullshit you tried to be a writer, couldn’t sell another book and now suddenly it is ‘well I am of course not a writer’, ‘I did it to see if I could’, ‘gosh I am glad I am not really trying to write’… whine whine whine
Publishing isn’t easy. You don’t want to deal with the rejection and shit cool but again, wrapping it up in well I never really tried anyway is dishonest and stupid. And beyond fucked up when you are sitting there preaching omg people BE HONEST with YOURSELVES own your whorish behavior.
For crying out loud Karen look at how you are freaking over me saying you are sensitive. THAT’S being sensitive. I would have completely left your posts in this thread alone because I do NOT want to upset you but I didn’t want to upset you more. You are a freaking catch-22 for me.
I’m sitting here letting you verbally beat the hell out of me hoping you will calm down eventually.
Sybil – Thanks for the advice.
Is it passive agressive to repeatedly insist that you guys stop the pretense that your blogs are not simply review\news sites?
Yes, we have been hiding our light under a bushel. After all, the front page of our blog doesn’t state the purpose of the blog. We have never stated that our blog is about news and commentary about the publishing industry, always from a reader point of view.
My deviousness makes me sick. Along with my lack of cleverness in concealing the nefarious purpose of the blog to *gasp* talk about the publishing industry. I must go flagellate myself for my purposely deceiving the readers of the blog AND remove that “about section”.
The word you are searching for is hypocracy.
I think its hypocrisy.
… Or hypocrisy.
damn it, jane.
it may be mockery. often confused for hipocrisy.
It probably doesn’t thrill her. Candy doesn’t care what I think. Well. She might give my opinion the courtesy of a hearing but I doubt it would have any measurable effect.
YOU guys, on the other hand, seem deeply offended that I think your blogs step way the hell off the cliff periodically.
On the Carol Stacey post you started out saying there would be no insults or personal attacks and I was thrilled. Not that you care, but it made me happy to see someone moderating for a change. As you can see I can take care of myself and I really don’t need anyone stepping in for me but there are others who are like lambs to the slaughter who I think should get a little help from the mod. But then you let Teddy Pigs comment that everyone at RT were assholes and I realized the opening caution statement was more guideline than actual enforced policy.
Regardless. It’s fair game for me to blog about just as you feel everything else is fair game on the web. If you don’t like my blogging about it? Well, now you know how it feels.
I am not sure Devon. I didn’t see it as racist but Bam might have. I knew she was talking about the game telephone when I read it the first time.
But uh, I just sort of got that understanding by reading in the text and knowing she was British. Americans can be too PC at times and I am still not sure what to think of the term.
I never used it before, don’t see me using it in the future. Words are funny and have as much meaning as you give them. So if someone somewhere places meaning on a word does that then make it so? I had no clue regarding “Heebie-Jeebiesâ€. Do we retire any and all words that might be upsetting? Maybe we should but what happens when we run out of words?
David Duchovny has a great quote on words, which I can not find. It was after he caught shit for saying fag or gay or something along those lines. DAMN computer crashes, damn them to hell!
All of the above.
Whoever said Heebie-Jeebies was off limits HAD to be fucking with us. I googled like mad and found nothing. A quarter of my relatives are jewish and they’ve never said anything about it.
Jane! You ignorant slut. You are just jealous cuz I get a button now. right?
I should get a button. I like buttons… can it be shiny?
Dude has someone called candy to take back her toys she left here last night?
Knew I should have spell checked that one. A perfectly good, whiplash comeback completely ruined.
::Hanging head in shame::
This seems so familiar. Didn’t some author get into HUGE trouble on Romancing the blog for using that term?
All of the above.
Dude you so just agreed I am sweetness and light. I am sure I said that up there somewhere.
Damn it we have agreed twice now, I am certain to go to hell. le sigh… good thing I look good in red. I really need to find my horns before RWA.
Speaking of which, ferfe are you gonna be in Dallas? I have been dying to see if you truly turn into the pussy cat people say you do in person.
*Snort* If you want to pounce me in person you are going to have to go to an RT convention, unless you live in S. Fla in which case I would be happy to take you to lunch. RWA is always during Mini-lobster season which is a family tradition – never miss it.
Anyone who is saying I am a pussy cat in person is in seriously deep shit, btw.
“Jane! You ignorant slut.”
This has nothing to do with anything, but that always makes me think of Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtain, doing Weekend Update on SNL. Ah, Nick at Nite. Good times.
So. Jane isn’t really a — slut? Just checking.
Hey. I’m a dead bat walking already. Might as well.
Unless I get a free invite to RT that isn’t happening.
Annie, tis a joke hon, and yeah that is what I am going off of. I don’t think anyone could call Jane ignorant or a slut – least of all me – oh the irony.
Ferfe the fact you have to check, speaks volumes. Suggestion: don’t plan on the next book being about blogging etiquette, it will end up at the dollar store with the other book.
Revenge Gifts is still in the dollar stores? Cool!
Yep at least the fake one… Dollar General. Bastards everything isn’t really a dollar. They had envelopes with two for a dollar where as the super cool dollar tree – EVERYTHING is a dollar there, who knew there were rules to these things – had a pack of five for a dollar!
Any authors doing contests should buy their shit at the dollar store. Sez I. Of course they get to write that shit off.
And really ferfe… warning people not to come defend you – classic. Cuz man you could hardly get through the line. I do have to say good show for owning you are trying to be an ass. I don’t buy the reason but whatever works for you.
I have heard blog books are dead, why the fuck anyone bought them to begin with I will never know. So I can’t see it happening then again I didn’t know you were going to teach etiquette by saying ‘what I do, don’t’. I mean fuck I think I should say I am sorry because if that was your angle, makes odd sense. Good luck.
Blog etiquette. While you guys have pretty much had a free for all with me I think I’ve been pretty damned diplomatic (don’t hurl) — direct but as diplomatic as possible regarding the really mean remarks.
I have friends who are writers with careers but are somewhat new to the blogs. There have been times when they accidentally stepped in on one of my landmines. Whether you know it or not, more than a few people have asked me how I get away with even half the shit I say and do. Kate Rothwell is one if you need to verify that. I am a bad infulence. I know that. Because I like people in general I came to the realization about eight months ago that I should come with a surgeon generals warning. You can think I’m being silly, but people take some of this shit seriously. They lose sleep at night over these inane blog dramas.
I sincerely hope you are not one of those people who takes this stuff seriously. Unfortunately, some people do. Unfortunately some people are also deadly serious when they post mean comments. If I can head that off at the pass, whether you want me to or not, I will. Us screwing around with each other is not worthy of a bigger blogwar. Most people know my sparing with MJD is in fun. No one would know THIS was yet another version albeit much edgier.
My first website (Tropical Times – in flux right now) was a goof. I did not realize how many people were reading it and, though some loved it there were some who were extremely upset. One actually sued me. I don’t know how long you have been online. I don’t know if you have been followed off the blogs by anything you’ve said or had said on your blog, but I have. Perhaps you see me as just a “one book no one” that no one knows or reads and you could be right. I’ve gone to a great deal of trouble to keep my websites low key since the lawsuit. But my blog is sucked in via RSS to both Tropical Times AND my author site and there are people who I know visit who would not understand that this fight was not real.
I’m a computer engineer. I’ve been around and online for a VERY long time. I’ve learned a lot of lessons the hard way. I am the last person you would think SHOULD have the balls to say jack about blogging etiquette but who else could speak with more experience?
WTH is a blog book anyway? Distracting.
And there’s absolutely nothing of interest on my blog for you. Don’t try to make me feel all special by saying you read it.
Correction. I think Karen Scott really is pissed with me so … that part was probably as real as anything gets on the web. She can’t stay pissed forever. I’m just too damned cute, cuddlesome and irrisistible. Still. I try not to annoy her if at all possible. Not that I think she could actually beat the crap out of me in person – she is over across the Atlantic – but better safe than beaten into a puddle of bat poo.
It occurs to me, after separating myself to get some work done today, that your statement, FFB, that you know my history with RT is simply untrue. I’ve never shared my experience with you. So what you know is the take and opinion of someone else–or others, and have no actual knowledge of my end of it. Therefore, you don’t know my history. You know someone’s version of it, without the whole.
Don’t assume you know my opinions, my thought process or my motivations on this matter, or any, actually.
I probably don’t know everything. I know you were upset with an editorial KF wrote following the plagerism incident. I know you don’t have anything to do with RT- no advertising, as far as I know no interviews, etc. You’ve expressed your opinion about RT pretty publicly. Editors who were at RT all those years ago, who have moved on, gave me a rough synopsis of the fall out. But no, only you and people who were there at the time realy know the full story.
And I said when I mentioned it that I was only guessing, not that I could know for sure.
I will discuss pretty much any subject with you that you choose, but RT is not one of those subjects. Beyond this point my participation in the RT segment of the discussion is ended. If you sincerely need to clear the air about this or anything related to this – set me straight, read me the riot act, whatever – my email is FerfeLaBat@aol.com.
I’ve lost the plot. What was this conversation about again?
Oh well, who cares?
When I saw who many comments you had, I just wanted you to hit 100.
LOL
Does one win a prize if they hit a 100? Funny girl, hell I wouldn’t be here if I had to read through all the above. I generally stop paying attention once a blog hits over 50 unless I have been following from the beginning.
I think we are at the part of the show where ferfe once again makes an arse of herself thinking Nora Roberts wants to explain herself to her. I can’t figure out why she thinks anyone would care what she thought much less la nora but whatever.
Nah – my guess is she wants to chew my ass, tell me I don’t know jack during which — at some point – I’ll be put into a position of publicaly debating RT somehow. If she really needs it to go down that road it’s a road I just won’t take on a public blog. Plus I am guessing you are sick of me by now. I have greatly abused your hospitality enough already.