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sorry?

And Sybil – the seizure is because you haven’t sent me the Cole yet. I’m convinced.

And take care of yourself, you silly girl! We can’t do this without you!

Sorry Jennifer ten to one I would agree with you more than that gwen girl. Honestly though no matter what you believe, you are welcome here

We rawk like that

It says, “Scientists have concluded that human activities are contributing to global warming…” Well, so does cow flatulence.

It says, “The observed warming over the past 100 years is unlikely to be due to natural causes alone…” Key word, “unlikely.” Not “cannot” and not “isn’t” but “unlikely”.

Sorry. That is not definitive proof, or even a definitive statement, that man is the cause. I believe we aren’t. Global warming would be happening whether we were here or not.

I believe that the planet will warm along the same trend it always has and will, eventually, stop as it reaches what I call its “self-correction point”. Where upon it will begin the processes that cause it to cool again.

By that point (hundreds of years in our future), perhaps we will have gotten a clue and will be kinder to our home – using fewer fossil fuels and dealing with our trash more intelligently.

Show me the beef, so to speak.

Here’s what the IPCC says, “Scientists have concluded that human activities are contributing to global warming by adding large amounts of heat-trapping gases to the atmosphere. Our fossil fuel use is the main source of these gases. Every time we drive a car, use electricity from coal-fired power plants, or heat our homes with oil or natural gas, we release carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases into the air. The second most important source of greenhouse gases is deforestation, mainly in the tropics, and other land-use changes.
Since pre-industrial times, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased by 31 percent. Over the same period, atmospheric methane has risen by 151 percent, mostly from agricultural activities like growing rice and raising cattle. As the concentration of these gases grows, more heat is trapped by the atmosphere and less escapes back into space. This increase in trapped heat changes the climate, causing altered weather patterns that can bring unusually intense precipitation or dry spells and more severe storms.”

There has undoubtly been warming and cooling periods in the past, but they have not been this extreme. Again from the IPCC, “The observed warming over the past 100 years is unlikely to be due to natural causes alone; it was unusual even in the context of the last 1,000 years. There are better techniques to detect climatic changes and attribute them to different causes. Simulations of the climate’s response to natural causes (sun, volcanoes, etc.) over the latter half of the 20th century alone cannot explain the observed trends. Most simulation models that take into account greenhouse gas emissions and sulphate aerosols (which have a cooling effect) are consistent with observations over the last 50 years.”

I am a scientist and I put my faith in science. I agree with your frustration at the fear-mongering tactics of the media, but that’s not where I get my information. The media always distorts. Just look at what they do to medical studies! Check with scientific orgainizations that put out peer-reviewed articles in the top scientific journals and you’ll see the debate is over.
I keep quoting the IPCC because they’re the #1 guys in this field. For another perspective, The UN Food and Agricultural Organization put out a paper last year about the effects of global meat production on global warming called “Livestock’s Long Shadow” which I would steer (excuse the pun) you to also. It’s fascinating stuff.

What I am questioning is man’s impact to that warming trend. The anthropogenic aspects of the theories are all hogwash to me. The planet would be warming even if man were never on it. It’s a natural cycle that our lovely blue ball goes thru every few thousand years.

Are we doing the planet any favors using as much fossil fuels as we do? Absolutely not. Could we each be doing more to reduce our carbon footprints? Absolutely yes.

But, even if every man, woman, and child on the planet HALVED our carbon footprint, the Earth would still warm at largely the same rate – approximately 1.17 degrees every hundred years or so (I think is the rate). At least until the next ice age or cataclysm – Krakatoa, etc.

We are being fed a pile of rubbish with all the FUD on Global Warming. Sure we should reduce our carbon emissions, if for no other reason than to have healthier air to breath and less dependence on oil. Sure we should all recycle as much as possible or reasonable if for no other reason than to have a healthier, cleaner planet. But are we, mankind, making the earth warmer? No way.

This post really enraged me so I won’t say more.

And really like Bush needs global warming or not to color his terms in office.

Gotta agree with Sybil here. Not sure how I feel about the global warming issue (we have had quite an impact on the environment there’s no denying it). But talking about global warming is just another distraction issue, like friggin’ gay marriage. I’m all for gay marriage (Congratulations Adam and Steve!), but trying to stir up the conservatives and liberals over such things, just serves to distract us from the war in Iraq, and the fact that the economy is going down the shitter.

If we all agree man’s impact to global warming is a sham, why the bloody hell do people let politicians like Barack Obama get away with saying they’re going to “lower the level of the oceans” in their presidency?

Well . . . not ALL of us think it’s a sham.

I really could care less about the presidential candidates views on it-it’s not gonna happen tomorrow. But poverty, hunger, murder and war will–yet people avoid talking about that because it’s “depressing”. And the media is absolutely fabulous for bringing a topic that will get ratings and attention to the front of the list until its not popular anymore then finding a new scandal.

Why not instead of focusing on the global warming bs focus on recycling centers and pushing for a universal health system. Personally when I drive down the street I don’t see a buttload of warming going on, but I do see bags full of garbage that lazy a**es won’t recycle or take responsibility for. And people being turned away at clinics because of overcrowding or inability to pay upfront.

Me…I’m a liberal with conservative tendencies. I’d rather focus on the immediate problems than worry about 100+ years from now when I’ll be dead anyway. And I have no idea what the hell is gonna happen for the presidential race–I have to trust the media (which is really never gonna happen) to be truthful. Everything I hear one day is contradicted the next day so the person running can play up to that particular crowd. Veteran and community health care…sure. Gun control…sure. Abortion…sure. Welfare and social security….sure. More money towards education…….sure…well maybe. Okay eventually.

The thing about politics for me is I’m never all one – one guys has a good idea and the other has a good idea but it’s really about voting for the guy (woman) who is the lesser evil. I go through the platforms saying ‘yep, yep, crazy, crazy, nope, yep’ and whoever has the most ‘yeps’ gets the vote. I’m always stunned at how someone seems intelligent and then they throw out ‘and I want to build a massive bio-dome to ‘whatever’.’ Oh shit. They were doing so well until they showed their crazy. Ugh.

CindyS

Thanks for the support, ladies. I fully expected to come back a day later and see myself being slammed.

I’m no scientist but maybe the earth has cycles in the weather/climate?! *wink*

I won’t get into politics/politician’s because that just gives me a giant headache. But I do agree about global warming being a sham.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t change the way we do some things that harm the environment, but I don’t think the oceans are going to start boiling over anytime soon either.

Oh, and I still think Dennis Miller is teh funny, but eh, I’m conservative! LOL

Not to go on a rant…

le sigh those where the days

And wasn’t Dennis Miller the bomb when he was flat broke and cynical as hell. Now he’s all high on himself. Ugh.

CindyS

WOOT! For blog control… Dude don’t look to me to protect your sensibilities. But this made me sad… Dennis Miller… damn once upon a time he was teh funny.

Of course I voted for Clinton – twice. Three times if you count Hilary . And am gonna go live in CindyS closet soon and hide but I like you anyway.

You odd texan you.

And really like Bush needs global warming or not to color his terms in office.

::running away to hide behind cindys now::

I also believe in the warming cycle of the planet and yep, there will be another ice age and stuff so I’m much like you in that I conserve and protect to keep the earth clean.

Thing is, I can’t just let go of man’s impact on the planet in the last 100 years but again it’s enviromental changes I’m talking about and our impact on eco-systems. Let’s not even get into how we have changed our physical health – sure, we discovered cures etc but Mother Earth ain’t going to take that sitting down. They talk about the coming epidemic because there will be one, there has to be one because we cannot sustain our current population. Hell, I was so stunned by the lack of protocol when SARS was in Canada that I now know there is no plan of quarantine when the shit hits the fan.

But I don’t worry much about it. Those that survive will and those that won’t won’t. Worry won’t solve it.

But I’m with you on cycles of the earth and cycles of disease – they exist for more reasons than we can even understand.

But 100 years of industrialization has had it’s own impact on us and global warming is barely a speck of said impact.

And I’m liberal probably but in Canada I think that’s common

CindyS